Beyonder wins against Manhattan. Follow 3935. #1 Edited By bluepride1234. The Beyonder is strong, but not exactly the strongest. for PR, i'm more in line with thinking it's going to be a fight you can't imagine. After his creator, Jim Shooter left Marvel, writer-editor Tom DeFalco, displeased with. You can't claim the same about Asura's. And Secret Wars Beyonder would annihilate all versions. Oblivion is higher on the totem pole of power. Especially considering the only other times to my knowledge I’ve seen PR Beyonder has “struggled” in a fight was when he clashed with Molecule Man and when he admitted Classic Doctor Strange could have incapacitate him indefinitely. He tanks an attack that would destroy several billion dimensions like nothing from PR Molecule. I realize the Presence is often considered more powerful than PR-Beyonder, but really, going to need feats in this case because this is not the Presence. Wiki Points. He's more PR Beyonder level imo. 2. BEYONDERGOD. I'm siding withBeyonder's been retconned at least twice afaik, his half-a-Cube-Being version was a pretty serious reality warper too. Lucifer is stated to be second ONLY TO THE JEWISH GOD (Yahweh). 6 years ago deactivated. Living Tribunal was also onlu second to TOAA much like Michael and Lucifer are second only to Presence. He is talking about TOAA, not PR Beyonder. The Beyonder can take on Galactus and Superman isn't as strong and he would lose. Follow 16064. PR Beyonder still wins unless of course that's MF Mxy which I doubt it is (and even if it was some idiot would argue that actually being able to change the beyonder into a turd doesn't count for. See moreJoin this channel to get access to perks:…PR Beyonder was millions of times powerful than the entire Marvel Multiverse. Yes he is, I don't expect you to read comics to know that. I don't think Oblivion can be destroyed. The beyonders were stated to be bound by linear time. A fraction is still much more power than basic reality warping. The Beyonder was literally the most powerful entity in the Marvel universe before he was retconned. Has this been done before? the Search function is screwing me over if so. Marvel TeamPR Beyonder & PR Molecule Man & Oblivion & Beyonders (entire Race) & Thanos & Galactus (composite) & Abstract Ent PR Beyonder:Loved the feeling of not being omnipotent and deciced I'll spare yall. Reviews: 0. she is not omnipotent, but PR beyonder and TOAA are, and PR beyonder is at LT level, which means TOAA wins. He was even above and beyond the writing staff . So adding that power to the PR Beyonder powered Victor vs IG and CC Thanos makes this a stomp is Dooms favor in my opinion. @eredin12: solar system level is roughly 150 times star level if you use our sun and solar. PR Beyonder shrugged of a shot that "would have slagged a few million entire dimensions" fired by the only other dude would could have leveled such a thing (PR Molecule Man). Followers. TOAA probably isn't more powerful than suggsverse characters. 8 years ago. PR Beyonder stomps this team. Forum Posts. I am guessing since you said The Beyonder rather than A Beyonder you mean PR Beyonder, in which case he stomps. I got this idea from the "PR-Beyonder vs Galactus" thread. And even then some endless beat pr beyonder. Perpetua, due to far surperior feats. 0. And with this analogy, Alovenus/Ruphas can create L1A character A in fiction A, But can easily defeated By character B In fiction B. He was a way wanked character. In Immortal Hulk#50 TOAA said he becomes TOBA when he has to do. No. PR Beyonder was above all beings in marvel. this was stated by Jim Shooter the creator of Secret Wars and the beyonder. Doom with Beyonder's powers was afraid to use even half of it, as he worried it would destroy the universe. ago. However, PR Beyonder is an extremely powerful reality warper and is simply way out of Dr. also, according to the bible, he can be killed, as the incarnation of Jesus, with a few spear pokes and soem crucifiction. He is overrated which makes people think he is this untouchable character but he would get smoked by LT. Wiki Points. All are at maximum power fight is to the death or ko. Followers. 4 years ago. The Empty Hand blinks PR-Beyonder off the comic book page if he so desires and that is before he made the Oblivion Machine. If allowed, Thanos with HOTU or astral regulator is top tier. PR Beyonder was TOAA before TOAA was ever a thought. 63 results. PR Beyonder is the lesser of the two, so there we have it. And boy, DC is supremely addicted to crises. The PR Beyonder saw the multiverse as a. Battle takes place in an infinite omniverse. And how do we know PR Beyonder could blink LT out of existence, he could blink lady death out of. Some dude told me this guy was strong but i think goku can with with kamehameha. i don,t have a pics but i do no some facts that are apparent: 1 the phoenix force has on. With Marvel having beings like the LT, Protege,PR Beyonder,PR Molecule Man,Scanthan The Approver,Multi-Eternity,Oblivion,Life Bringer Galactus and many others. 9 years ago. Actually PR Beyonder was TOAA of his own actuality (according to Stan Lee), the purpose of his original existence was to. As stated, numerous times throughout secret wars and in separate interviews with the creator (shooter) the beyond realm (and thus the beyonder's power) was MILLIONS OF TIMES greater than the marvel multiverse (again, Pre retcon this is ALL of marvel and. I don't know a. He was so powerful that nothing in the Marvel Multiverse. The Two fight in the beyond realm. Trust me bud, and until you have scans, it ain’t true. ago. #1. PR Beyonder was stated clearly to be omnipotent in almost every issue of Secret Wars 1 & 2, so you can't deny. Yeah PR Beyonder is completely broken Reply [deleted] • Additional comment actions. (Cuz there are none. Some dude told me this guy was strong but i think goku can with with. PR Beyonder and the Beyonders fall into that category too, and you’ve claimed the former is “fodder”. PR Beyonder can also create and destroy multiverses (reality, dimensions, etc) at a higher level than even the Living Tribunal can. Since this is PR Beyonder he might win, but the whole point of The Endless is that the three most powerful ones are way up there, and all of them combined have the same power level as the Presence. Maybe some people will think or debate that PR Beyonder or Oblivion wins against the All-Mighty. If TOAA comes to DC and try to challenge The Presence , TOAA will lose since he won't be omnipotent anymore. The beams are a secondary power to the effect. ForumsMe and a friend have been arguing over this for a long time,so we decided to make our own matches to see which of our favorites wins. #44 Edited By Debunker020202. Warlockmage. Forums. Wiki Points. There are like at least dozens DC. The thing is , Beyonder shrugged off a blast that "would have destroyed 1 million dimensions". Here, Alden and Neon fall out of Nil after dying and land in the 6th. The beyonder should be able to Reply CyberpunkV2077 • Additional comment actions. PR beyonder can call upon the other beyonders as well to help if he needs it. The art work and what not is horrible. PR beyonder. New Comics. Thanos (HOTU) Very debatable. Martian (Martian Manhunter) 3. There's a LOT of weird hax in Bleach, not even including Aizen. Have not seen any impressive feats by the Angel duo. But if you will include that "symbol of heroism/needed for the story" crap, then remove the beyonder. 0. While Manhattan is a multiversal entity tribunal is. TR was created by this. The beyond realm was also so large in size it made the marvel multiverse look like a droplet of water while the beyond realm was the ocean. Forum Posts. There no need to insult. MM is powerful enough to rebuild the marvel multiverse completely from scratch, and he was nowhere near as strong as PR Beyonder when they fought during SW2. Apr 2014. Oh so she was the woman people talked about when they say "Beyonder can't be defeated except by that girl who he. Molecule Man. Deku remembers All Might then poof PRB is knocked out. Anime/Manga TeamSuper Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann, Elder God Demonbane, Giorno Giovanna (Gold Experience Requiem), Majin Dark Schneide. IMO Lucifer convinces the Beyonder to kill himself. @Pr_Beyonder: uncle ben is a boss the LT qoutes him in all honesty he does loose every round except possibly 1 and 5 also hank prime would have to be pressing way more than 1. PR Beyonder (even when PR) was below full omnipotency, he got tricked by Doom and that pretty much gives it away for his omnipotent powers that should have included omniscience. The Beyonders that killed all the Celestials then proceeded to shit on all the cosmic beings like The Living Tribunals. Next panel PR Beyonder moonwalks onto the scene. Beyonder could honestly lose to any of the 3,but has the best chance of beating the Gentry at least 7/10. OTP PR Beyonder soloes. Basically this. 0. Created by writer Jim Shooter and artist Mike Zeck, the Beyonder first appeared in Secret Wars #1 (May 1984) as an unseen, nigh-omnipotent being from outside the multiverse who kidnapped the heroes and villains of the Marvel. Roshi in a heartbeat. 2. Round 1: CAS vs. Forum Posts. So by definition, above any DC character except the equivalent of TOAA (The Presence. Going with PR Beyonder. Build Your Own Omnitrix. 0. Beyonder was either just omnipotent or the closest to it that anyone has gotten without being it. Michael Demiurgos >> Pre-Retcon Beyonder >>>>> Battler. Wiki Points. PR Beyonder was crazy powerful, and i have seen threads where he would beat thought robot superman. Forum Posts. Both strike an ambiguous pose when it comes to creating a universe. -You may take DNA samples from 5 different Alien Races from any fictional media. 5. PR Beyonder is more powerful than Marvels TOAA(who was defeated by Thanos with an Astral Regulator). No chance of being omnipotent. The Beyonder (pre-retcon) vs The Great Darkness (dark crisis) The most powerful antagonist Marvel ever created vs the latest and greatest existential threat in. Eru Iluvatar (in a contest of who made a cooler world) Lucifer, Thanos, Dr. Follow 23177. living tribunal could not do a damn thing 12 years ago. #23 Edited By MrDirector786. #1 Edited By gokupwnzalllol. Alien X (Ben 10) vs pre retcon Beyonder. PR Beyonder is a casual multiverse buster. 29. No. Alot of people seem to have hard time giving HOM Wanda her due. From incredibly superficial research, it's the whole "Shadow/Dark Reflection of God" thing that has been knocking around in DC since the old Swamp Thing days. Forum Posts. 15. The closest I can think of are Lucifer Morningstar and/or Michael. Overthinks_Questions • 1 yr. He's nowhere near the same ballpark as PR Beyonder. New Comics. PR Beyonder is more powerful than Marvels TOAA(who was defeated by Thanos with an Astral Regulator). What was he, and why was he so powerful? All i know about. Funny, didn. Composite Spidey is powerful but gets pushed aside first I’d say, even wit the powers of the Beyonder race. The art work and what not is horrible. Nihilist. Pr beyonder. "@Pr_Beyonder: michael created the but lucifer gave it form, basically its like michael has the universe creating energy but lucifer can manipulate that energy into things,. Pokergeist. Thus he is more more powerful than Fulcrum who may or may not be. Wiki Points. Holo-Man • 3 yr. ReplyOkay so i want to go to war with the JLA and I'd like to build a team from Viners to do so. His weakness is a lack of understanding of. Pr beyonder, ToAA, the presence, HoTU thanos. Elaine Belloc; HOTU ThanosCant find this either O_O; Im sure this was done though. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder and Thanos with the Regulator both duo together to obliterate all of the other nigh-omnipotent beings in this thread. 0. Pr beyonder blinks away a nigh omni that treat beings that treat beings that treat beings that are multiversal++ level like an outright folder right? She basically controls the plot of her verse. PR Beyonder is OP, he was originally written to be THE top entity in Marvel, there's no real beating him. Round 1: CAS vs. @laflux said: MOM. Oh wait that would mean auto win to Marvel. @claymore1998: Not once was PR Beyonder stated to be second only to TOAA. In fact, God Doom, who possessed. Lucifer is also technically the most intelligent being in DC besides God. i mean ya the pr beyonder and dr solar are apparently omnipotent , but you should not forget the phoenix . Forum Posts. A . Mxy still bitches every Darkseid save for Infinite Frontier since we don’t know yet. And,DC cosmology is encompassed by the story of Superman CAS embodies. The Overvoid could be the Beyond-Realm before PR Molecule Man created a pinpoint in the Beyond-Realm to the Earth-616 universe. This topic is locked from further discussion. PR Beyonder 1B likely 1A. Due to the fact that he is an agent of TOAA (basically god), The Living Tribunal is more powerful than any other entity, including PRB. Wiki Points. TOAA; Presence; Great Evil Beast; Living Tribunal; Scathan; Protégé; PR-Beyonder; PR-Molecule Man; Lucifer Morningstar; Michael Demiurgos. PR Beyonder is stronger than all Marvel universe and its beings combined by far. @mazeraiii said: Beyonder solo's. ago. #9 Edited By Supreme Marvel. Current Beyonder is below the Living Tribunal however. Omnipotence and omniscience. Nobody in Marvel or DC aside from the Primal Monitor (DC) or TOAA (Marvel) have the slightest chance against PR Beyonder. Mxyzptlk. Whats the Greater Force of Power? COSMIC? or MAGIC? you be the Judge. I didn't say he was TOAA himself *face palm* BEYONDER was TOAA before TOAA existed BEYONDER was him (TOAA) in his own. Actually PR Beyonder was TOAA of his own actuality (according to Stan Lee), the purpose of his original existence was to. vs. And the beyonders are destroying the entire Multiverse with no opposition,so they have no equal either. Thanos with HOTU vs PR is still argued but do note all the cosmics were begging PR MM to fight Beyonder. The Crimson King decides he's bored and decides to start trolling other verses. @majestic99. This is hard to tell. Likewise, nothing in Toaru would even constitute a threat to the lowliest monsters in the Scarlet King's army. The rest of the rounds Marvel is pretty dominant, maybe they could do something in the final round. Hulk tanking a hit from Beyonder is an outlier too by the way. Beyonder would just make remake everything that was destroyed. also the living tribunal couldnt even do anything to PR beyonder. Poll Current Lucifer Morningstar vs. Random encounter. Bonus: Nothing that I know of. The Crimson King. Forums. Yeah, and apparently PR Beyonder was a young version of the Beyonders in the prompt. Unless its stated Some ware that PR Beyonder is TTOA or has met and defeated (even if its of panel) True LT or Primal Force. Lord Urizen. Hell is no where near big enough for this fight. Share. Lucifer & Michael vs PR Beyonder will be a better match-up. Pre-retcon beyonder 1 on 1. 2 years ago. level 2 · 1y. Ultra (Ultraman) 4. Pre-retcon Molecule Man hasn't paid his taxes in like, 10 years, since he's been been galavanting around the universe. PRB has a lot of. Not remotely. m99. Pre Retcon is still cooler, jist because of cosmology Expansion, defenders beyonder seems stronger but he is featless for now. However, PR Beyonder is an extremely powerful reality warper and is simply way out of Dr. Posted by u/galactusisathiccboi - 4 votes and 14 commentsLol at Battler stronger than PR Beyonder. I really don't want to believe. m limits were never exposed. He could quite literally blink Dr Manhattan out of existence. So, I looked at The Beyonder's (Pre-Retcon)profile and, found out that he is rated Tier High 1-B and likely, 1-A. LT's powers/status was never set, hence the whole retcon deal. The Two fight in the beyond realm. Crypto@daak1212 said: "@Danilo018 said: "@Pr_Beyonder said: Juggs has become a victim of the hulk affect and is to him former self as the hulk is to Bruce He is taken to neutral plane where cyttorak can. To put it simply, PR Beyonder barely thinks of destroying John Constantine, in. 8 years ago. I haven't been keeping up, but that sounds interesting. Without the Pre-Retcon clause, Beyonder is ridiculously hosed, being outclassed by a Cosmic Cube. Pre-retcon versions of Beyonder and MM. With this skill (plot manipulation), still can affect Pr beyonder. However, that scan of her being able to have an effect on PR Beyonder was pretty badass. There are some moments where Beyonder was oddly weak during Secret Wars 2, but his consistent portrayal was ridiculous. Elaine seems to stomp everyone else, but can she defeat PR Beyonder? Nihilist. [deleted]Join Date. Even PR Beyonder is just an infinite dimensional reality warper, and the Archetypes whom are significantly weaker than the Outer Gods control infinite dimensional multiverses and beings like chess. Even someone with 0 knowledge of PR Beyonder could look through that or just google and realize this is unholy in terms of the level of stomp. 0. There's a LOT of weird hax in Bleach, not even including Aizen. 14 years ago. Round 4 same as round 3 the retcon happened for a reason. he would get tricked out of his powers without having a sure fire way of getting them back like he did with Dr. And matched Mxy at one point. Aside from them, PR-Beyonder is the strongest being in marvel. Round 1: Molecule Man from the pre-retcon Beyonder era. And boy, DC is supremely addicted to crises. RULES:Morals off. Beyonder is supose to represent the power the writers themselves have over the comics. Dr Manhattan Vs The Beyonder. Yet, is not responsible for creation. We're talking about a guy who recreated the omniverse just by thinking about it and decimated the entire multiverse just. The first thing here is this is only a character. Due to the fact that he is an agent of TOAA (basically god), The Living Tribunal is more powerful than any other entity, including PRB. Followers. Jul 30, 2018. deactivated-5d755a684b00b. Nah, it’s generally recognised that PR Beyonder is above TOAA and the Presence. So as we know, Phoenix Force is an extremely powerful entity in Marvel. The character plays a more antagonistic role in the 1985 sequel, Secret Wars II, in which he takes human form to learn about desire but threatens to destroy the multiverse out of increasing frustration. MM solo's. Ruphas have Higher dimensional manip. Created by writer Jim Shooter and artist Mike Zeck, the Beyonder first appeared in Secret Wars #1 (May 1984) as an unseen, nigh-omnipotent being from outside the multiverse who kidnapped the heroes and villains of the Marvel. 0. PR Beyonder had every single abstract and Living Tribunal at his knees. 0. FinalStar86. Doom. Doctor Manhattan couldn't really affect the Beyonder with any of his powers while the Beyonder can break the laws of nature and. What we know about Mark Miller's Marvel 1985 is that. PR Beyonder (Marvel) Takes A DC Gauntlet. The thought of Beyonder defeating SCP 3812 because he was able to destroy a billion universes is laughable. Based on Marvel’s cosmology back in the 80’s - 90’s (which I mentioned in the scalin I provided), Classic Beyonder would be Outerversal since he is ”beyond” the Marvel Multiverse. Battle has been done so many damn times. Yeah but I mean the presence is "generally. #23 Edited By MrDirector786. Friend showed me a comic on this guy about a year ago,told me it was a very popular fan- fic,I was orginally going to make this my first thread but IPre Retcon Beyonder. Thats why Molecule Man (who is weaker than PR Beyonder, but shares his powers) was able to fix it with little to no effort. Van_Cere. PR-Beyonder was broken, but still not TOAA. Alien X is free of any indecisiveness, and both are bloodlusted. Doctor Doom can steal/absorb power from PR Beyonder, Galactus, Asgardians, Nightmare, Life Force (Reality warping from HoM) etc but couldn't defeat Onslught? That is inconsistent. EDIT: About Beyonder being gullible and "getting his power's stolen". The Beyonder was literally the most powerful entity in the Marvel universe before he was retconned. PR Beyonder solo with utter ease. Beyonder 39%. 0. Retconned/Modern Beyonder < Ivory Kings. Example: I have taken the hill and have the death star watIt can and has been argued that PR Beyonder exceeds TOAA in power, whereas the HotU apparently. Following Secret. @Pr_Beyonder: Yes. Not everything needs to have the uni/multi/omniverse on the line. 6 years ago. ". Following Secret Wars and Secret Wars II, the Beyonder experienced many notable retcons. When Goku fought Tao the second time, at that point, I think Goku was stronger than Master Roshi was when they fought at the. Neither is the fact that PR Beyonder was millions of times more powerful than everything in the entirety of the multiverse. 6,407. He was even above and beyond the writing staff . Current Beyonder should be very close to PR I'd say, they've established that the current version hasn't been retconned to a Ivory King and his final feat was leaving the Marvel multiverse. . 1. 8551. Pre Retcon Beyonder has been nearly killed before by lesser being and has been outsmarted more than once by people so far below his power level. PR-Beyonder was implied to be more powerful than the Living Tribunal, while Mxy was depowered by the Spectre, and Spectre has beaten other 5D imps before. PR Beyonder, even when defeated, knew exactly what was going on and even came back to humiliate Doom and show how irrelevant his plan was. Beyonder was TOAA before creation or with more precise words, he. Followers. Yes. All are child's play compared to what Bugs could do. PRB represented the combined power of an entire multiverse, one that was so large it made. PR-Beyonder was broken, but still not TOAA. Beyonder wins against Manhattan. And PR Beyonder isn't omnipotent either and TR is in a completely separate cosmology created by Grant Morrison with an over monitor and his monitors as angels by Grant. PR Beyonder may have slightly better feats than Lucifer, he's not nearly as crafty. Michael doesn't really have a lot in the way of feats, other than statements by other characters and some. Goku vs Pre Recton Beyonder. PR Beyonder learns about his future self in Marvel (being a jobber) and is pissed off. One Above All Wasnt around when PR Beyonder was, people liken PRB to what TOAA would of been at the time. While The Living Tribunal is rated 1-A (more than The Beyonder)and 616 Eternity or Multi-Eternity is rated High 1-B (same as The Beyonder). (unless he wills himself otherwise alla Rachel Summers. #1 Edited By bluepride1234. PR Beyonder. Report Save. 0. 9 years ago. I almost think they should be banned. He couldn't erase Death. Reviews: 1. No BFRs and the battle takes place in the forge of creation. If that's true, the Presence would be way weaker then PR Beyonder. " Current as in the old man with parkinson's. Adm1ralSnackbar. If it's spiderman with the power of PR Beyonder then he should win. LT's powers/status was never set, hence the whole retcon deal. . Follow 334. Forum Posts. PR Beyonder was TOAA before TOAA was established, there was no character of TOAA before or at the time of Secret Wars 1 & 2. 2 years ago. Exists alongside all of Heaven in Creation inside of the story. Pre-retcon beyonder 1 on 1. While secret wars came out in 1984 it extended to 1985 which i believe was when Molecule man made his secret wars appearance. As for Wanda feats she reformed the multiverse (not omniverse, just the way it was used here) and ALSO stopped/controlled/dispersed. @lariend said: Missmatch any from team 2 can solo. User. The one who shines like Gold upon the Sea of Chaos can beat Cosmic Armor Superman. Minor nitpick. R4: Mr. PR Beyonder is comparable to at least 3 magicians combined, he stomps unbelievably hardPR Beyonder changed the entirety of the universe at his whim. Marvel has stated that Beyonder is the TOAA of his own reality and the Marvel Universe is only a droplet of water compared to that reality or something to that effect. Actually i think you have a misconception of the timelines buddy that or your hating on the Marquis of death. #6 Edited By icecream1991. As for Wanda feats she reformed the multiverse (not omniverse, just the way it was used here) and ALSO stopped/controlled/dispersed. ) as regarding LT, you really must have.